BHAGAVAD GEETA:Chapter-2-4./Post-33. Swami Advayanandaji.

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BHAGAVAD GEETA 

Chapter - 2

Discourse – 2 (72 Slogas)

“Yoga of the SUPREME SELF”

Sri Veda Vyasaji

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Sunday, 15 Oct 2023. 07:13.

Post - 33.

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2.4 THE ELIMINATION OF GRIEF

(Slogas 11-15, 5 No.)

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ONE NORMALLY ASSOCIATES the discussion of this knowledge in a sylvan retreat 

where solitude and silence prevail. But in the Geeta the Lord imparts it in the middle of a 

battlefield. The criterion for imparting this knowledge is not time and place; it is a ready 

disciple; a thirsty, burning aspirant who yearns desperately for enlightenment to free 

himself from the bondage of delusion – and Arjuna meets that requirement perfectly.

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Slogam - 11: “Jagatguru Krishna” Begins

Shree Bhagavan uvaacha: The Blessed Lord said:

1

Ashochyaan   =  For those that should not be grieved for, 

anvashochah tvam  =  you have grieved;

2 

prajnaa-vaadaan cha bhaashase;   =  yet you speak words of wisdom.

3 

gataasoon agataasoon cha   =  For the dead and for the living,

4 

na anu-shochanti panditaah.   =  the wise never grieve.

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Vritti Anuvada – Major Sub-Heading :

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1 

This slogam serves as a major sub-heading (Vritti Anuvada) for the verses to 

follow.The subject of GRIEF is covered in the next 20 verses, right up to verse 30.

2 

The Lord’s reply to the ‘wise words’ spoken by Arjuna is given in slogas 31 to 38.

3-4 

How to become totally freed from all grief is the subject matter of the whole of 

the Geeta. It is like a major heading or Anuvada for the entire content of the Geeta.

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The Teaching Begins:

1 

A great Truth of life that is opened with the very first Pada – the subject of Grief. At 

the very outset one is placed with a problem requiring our discrimination. Who is to be 

grieved for and who is not worth grieving for? The only thing we should be grieving is our 

separation from the Lord, a deeply subjective and spiritual matter. Nothing external should 

cause us any grief.

2

We note that the teaching starts at once from the highest level. This is the typical 

approach in the Upanishads. The highest Truth is quickly declared. Other viewpoints are

secondary. They enter from the level of the mind. Arjuna asks many questions along the 

way. The Lord answers them from different standpoints to suit the disciple’s stage of 

growth. However, the basic Truth remains our guiding beacon throughout the Geeta.

2 Krishna’s words may sound mocking, but they are full of love. Arjuna’s words had 

sounded very wise, but because of delusion they are actually arising from Ignorance. 

The Subject is GRIEF, not Death:

3 

The matter of Death here is purely circumstantial, due only to Arjuna’s situation in 

the battlefield. ‘Death’ is only serving as an example of a cause for grief. The idea being 

conveyed is not that death should not cause grief, but that any circumstance whatsoever 

should not become a cause for grief. There ought to be no cause whatsoever for grief. That 

is the supreme state the Lord is holding aloft before us.

Agataasoon: Since death is certain, this word meaning “neither for the living” should

really be interpreted in this context as “those who have not yet died”. 

4 

Pandita: 

The “wise person” never grieves, whatever the circumstances. Who are 

the wise men? Nowadays Pandita is taken to mean a Pujari, one whose livelihood is to 

perform Poojas. In Vedic times, Pandita had a higher meaning. It meant those who have 

substantially lived the spiritual path with some success and elevated their vision above the 

ordinary mundane level. They are the cream of society, and their behaviour is taken as the 

benchmark to be followed by others. That is the importance of the statement, “The wise 

grieve not…”

Discussion: Moha 1 – Shoka 1 – Moha 2 – Shoka 2

Acharyaji asked, “Which comes first – delusion or sorrow?” This led us into an 

interesting discussion:

Both could be right. Delusion (with a capital D) is, no doubt, the original root cause of 

Sorrow (with a capital S). We can call it Moha 1, which is due to primordial Ignorance or 

Avidya, and Shoka 1, which is the primary or deep Sorrow of separation from the Divine.

When these two are applied to the mundane life, we observe their effects or ramifications, 

which may then be termed Moha 2 and Shoka 2 respectively. The latter two can take on 

various secondary forms. In this way Acharyaji guided us towards clearly identifying what is 

the cause and what is the effect.

When one comes under the sway of Delusion, one experiences the fundamental

Sorrow of disengaging with God, our divine roots. Due to this Sorrow, one’s mind gets 

completely disabled from the intellect, and in such a condition its behaviour pattern is 

termed delusion (lower case d), which is Moha 2 for the sake of clarity. This refers to the 

expression of the Jeeva through imperfect Upadhis, i.e. the limitations of the body, mind 

and intellect. The intellect gets clouded due to the Sorrow.

From this state of delusion arises the numerous forms of sorrow (lower case s) that 

occur in our life. This is Shoka 2. Thus both Moha and Shoka always go hand-in-hand. For a 

student of the Geeta, it is vital to grasp this sequence and clearly understand what is being 

referred to. This is dealt with thoroughly in the Bhashya.

Dharma and Adharma:

Shogam and Moham give rise to the concepts of Dharma and Adharma (order and 

disorder), which in turn give rise to the notions of Punya and Paapa (merit and demerit). The 

latter are deep “scars” on our soul, and to work them out of our system we enter the cycle 

of Samsara, or endless number of births and deaths. Each cycle is another opportunity given 

to us to work out our Paapa and Punya.

Thus we see that Shoka and Moha are far-reaching in their effects. Shoka and Moha 

keep spiralling down; at the third spiral it is Moha 3 and Shoka 3; at the fourth, Moha 4 and 

Shoka 4, and so on. For this reason, Sri Krishna has to lay down the foundation of knowledge 

thoroughly. He takes no short-cut. The knowledge is given in full. Only an exhaustive 

knowledge, leaving no stone of doubt unturned, can destroy Delusion 1 and Sorrow 1 at the 

primary level. However, this does not discard the need to make efforts to overcome the 

secondary and tertiary levels of delusion and sorrow in one’s life.

Vedanta teaches one to dissociate oneself from sorrow in order to be free from it. 

The Geeta is a very practical manual. Acharyaji made it clearer: “The less we speak Vedanta, 

the more we can practise it in our heart.”

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Next

Slogam - 12: Time Scale is for the Body, not Spirit

To be continued

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###OPINION : PEOPLE OF BHARATHAM POSITIVE :

1. SANATANA DHARMA, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS HINDUISM IS ETERNAL, WHOLE UNIVERSE IS EXISTING IN THIS TRUTH

2.  EVER  EXISTING

3.  THERE IS NO SPACE FOR ADHARMA

4. ALL DEMONIC ELEMENTS DEMOLISHED BY DHARMA

5. SO NO QUESTION EVIL ASURIC DEMONIC FRAGMENT'S BARKING, THEY WILL BE   ULTIMATELY BURNED AND DESTROYED BY NATURE.

6. PURE CONSCIOUSNESS IS DIVINE AND SUPREME, ALL OTHERS MEANINGLESS

7. NATURE IS ABOVE ALL, EVER EXISTING, ALL OTHERS MEANINGLESS.

8. THE CONTENT OF SO CALLED HOLY BOOK IS NO HOLY AT ALL, AS IT PREACHES HATRED AND DESTRUCTION OF OTHER MANKIND, RELIGIOUS CONVERSIONS AND LIES OF UNCIVILIZED MATERIALS

9. CHRISTIANITY IS EQUALLY DEMONSTRATED CRUELTY, THE SO CALLED HOLY BOOK FULL OF LIES

10. BOTH  ARE NOT RELIGIONS BUT SAMPRADAYA (ILLITERATE MAN MADE, NOT BASED ON DHARMA

11. THE CULTURE OF BHARATHAM BASED ON UPANISHADS AND FULL OF  REALISATION TEXTS ARE PRODUCED BY GREAT RISHIS OF BHARATHAM

12. IN THIS MATERIALISTIC DESTRUCTIVE MINDED UNIVERSE, NO RELIGIONS COMPARABLE OR ABOVE SANATANA DHARMA OF BHARATHAM.

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Opinion : 

1.( i.n.d.i.a.)all stupid union of idiots, dynasty rascals, fuedelists, congress, communists, latest announcement tha caste census, is dangerous and divisive hindus politics, and muslim christians votebank politics, people of Bharat awake and stop this attempt by kick these parties out of politics.( nehru of congress used this Adharma since independance followed by dynasty politics indira,rajiv,italian bahu,and now her stupid son and daughter ) 

DEFEAT THEM MY BHARATHIYA BROTHERS AND SISTERS

1.1. Congress, a donkey  party, its so called day dreaming stupid leader rahul vinci, rahul gandi, frequent visit to foriegn countries, to abuse PM of this Nation, and Sanatana Dharma -exeeded all limits this time, his party and his family to be "condemned" and kicked away from politics, people should awake and realise the danger.

2. Congress & Communists destroyed this holy Nation Sanatana Dharama, The imported stupid secularism degenerated this Nation Ancient Culture and Civilisation

3. Till 2014 nation was ruled by corrupt idiots,and all regions too, Dynasty rule dominated than Nation intrests.

4. Brushing away main stream population sides and muslims and christians become political parties vote banks.

5. Communists openly abused  our ancient culture, upanishads,Ramayana, Mahabharatham, Bhagavtham and daites.

6. The communists  next donkey group, latest stunt of America visit and the comedy programme namely kerala sabha!? these buggers detroyed Kerala in all and joining with radical islam soon they will be eliminated, people of Kerala get up from donkey thoughts, otherwise kerala shrink to extinct in all way

7. Communists are danger to our civilisation, their lunatic theories disappered through out the world, Time has come crush them, and eliminate them from our nation, they are danger to this holy nation.

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What is Dharma:

NOTE:

1. POLITICIANS ( THOSE IGNORANT AND DEMONIC NATURED) ARE NOT THE AUTHORITY TO OPEN THEIR UGLY FOUL MOUTH AND UTTER NONSENSE UPON SANATHANA DHARMAM.

2. THE NONSENSE COMMENDY ALLIANCE ARE NOT THE AUTHORITY ON SANATHA DHARAMAM.

3. DK,DMK. AIADMKA AND ALL NONSENSE POLITICIANS BEWARE YOU WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY  WASHED OUT SOON.

4. COMMUNISTS  AND CONGRESS ARE THE ENEMY TO MANKIND DESTROY THEM.

5.ALL SANATHANA DHARAMAM FOLLOWERS (WHICH EVER YOUR POLITICAL INTEREST BE :YOUR POLITICAL MINDSET) TAKE A OATH THAT YOU STAND AGAINST ALL EVIL MINDSET AGAINST SANATHANA DHARMAM!!!

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######6. CRUSH THE ANTI NATIONAL ELEMENTS SUCH AS CONGRESS, COMMUNISTS, LEFT LIBERALS, URBAN NAXALS, TAMILNADU REGIONAL ANTI NATIONAL CUM ANTI SOCIAL POLITICAL PARTIES (DK,DMK,AIADMK, ALL SILLY SELF APPOINTED CASTE GROUPS), NEVER ALLOW THESE BUGGERS RAISE THER VOICE/HEADS. CRUSH THEM UNDER YOUR FEET.

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JAI HIND

JAI BHARATHAM

VANDHE MADHARAM

BHARAT MATHA KI JAI.

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